Jacob Coxon

That that level of importance, of course, is gonna bring people out that wanna see exactly what's going on.

So this is one of those times, no matter what you think of Jacob Coxon, the reality is that he's pointing at a phenomenon that is almost certainly true no matter what you're looking at.

So if you look at a company like SpaceX, by the way, they're not allowed to hire Chinese nationals.

I'm not sure if they're allowed to hire any foreign nationals.

And so it's innovation that always leads that charge.

It isn't the panic.

And so we need to hear things like what Jacob Coxon is putting on the table and go, okay, cool.

I see another attack vector, but that attack vector can be dealt with rather than, oh God, we just got to cut off every relationship or we've got to now start discriminating against Chinese people.

Jacob, uh, Paul Coxon.

Jacob Coxon.

Yeah.

He was here a few weeks ago, and he said, at Tesla, no Chinese national works at Tesla.

And certainly, you know, we've never seen an attack like this with respect to Ledger.

I think it was Jacob Coxon, the guy who famously quit Anthropic, who said he thought there was a very high probability that there are CCP spies within Anthropic.

It's like almost certainly because the security protocols in there are so simplistic compared to what you'd expect from what at this point are the most important economic and national security assets in America, basically, are the labs.

And they're not treated like that.

As you've seen, myself and many other outside commentators have drawn the same conclusion, and of course, researchers too.

Jacob Coxon of the super viral tweet said to Time Magazine that at the desks in which he worked at OpenAI and Anthropic, there was a kind of fatalism.

There's this atmosphere of almost resignation.

Researchers try to make their own work as safely as possible, even if they think there's a decent chance the whole thing spirals out of control.

Next what I want to get into is what happened with AI spies that are getting into OpenAI and Anthropic.

And this goes with a conversation I had last week with Jacob Coxon, the Anthropic whistleblower that came out and said, "Hey, you know, Tesla cannot have any Chi- Chinese nationals work there, but Anthropic and OpenAI can." And I started thinking, what do you mean by that? This interview drops tomorrow.

So watch what happens a couple those-- couple days later in a story.

Couple days later, OpenAI fires three safety researchers accused of sharing confidential company information.

What, what are the ways that we have done that? What, what are the ways that policymakers have made favorites of capital and, and made labor less enticing?

You know, mostly it was a lack of leadership and movement as opposed to like, you know, a bunch of like Mr. Monopoly-looking guys in a room in Capitol Hill being like, "And here's what we'll do." It, it's really just-

Right

... letting the protections we have, uh, slide and not keeping up our standards.

So let's say they do, uh, I don't know, bonuses at the end of the year.

Mm-hmm.

And you say, "All right, if you're gonna bonus your guys, in that bonus pool, 25% of it has to be distributed to labor-

Mm-hmm

This brought together not just tech leaders from OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, and Meta, but also whistleblowers from those companies who have in recent months, as we've talked about, have been sounding the alarm about how these companies are developing this technology allegedly in an unsafe way.

The hearing kicked off with Jacob Coxon, who is that Anthropic researcher who resigned over the summer, claiming the lack of safety measures these companies are implementing could result in AI that wipes out humanity.

Well, in New York City yesterday, Coxon echoed that sentiment, telling the council, "On the current path, I think it is more likely than not that humanity loses control to these AIs, and it could end in human extinction." This was a pretty marathon hearing all told.

Lawmakers heard from some almost 70 witnesses.