How was that achieved so effectively? Was there a secret source to that? Was it just great PDs? Great

PDs, great team, I would say.

I always think, I mean, making documentaries, factual, unscripted, whatever we're supposed to call it now, I always think it is teamwork.

There is no why.

It is all about a fantastic team.

We had a kind of literally a briefing room.

We were open 24-7, if you like.

present in people's imaginations and and there was all the things that were going on in syria with isis and all that kind of stuff and so forth so it was very much of the moment covid comes and you know hospital is the series which talks about the struggles in the nhs i mean arguably covid is the hardest test in the nhs already an embattered um uh service how do you go about coming up