Jackie Hill Perry

Mm-hmm.

And, and, yeah, also too, and just to add to that, you know, I've had so many conversations with people in the Christian industry, whether those teachers, artists, who've always tried to pick my brain, I think, in the different spaces they see me and Jackie going in.

Mm-hmm.

Because I think they've only ca- they've, even if they've done ministry for a long time publicly, they've kind of only been invited to one ...

And I thought pride was just being arrogant.

This is Jackie Hill Perry.

She talked about pride in the most subtle, discreet ways that I didn't know existed, and it humbled me.

In 2003, Nancy released the book Surrender: The Heart God Controls.

I'm, I'm, I'm so empty, and I have such this heavy weight on me, and I just need you, and come save me."

The first time I was introduced to biblical womanhood was through Nancy's ministry-

... um, when I was 20.

Toni is teaching people all over the globe that you can be broken and still worthy, or feel unqualified and still be called to do great things.

We love every conversation with our friend Toni Collier, and it feels so important to talk about how we can surround the kids we love with community during a time of grief, and she has so many helpful ways to do exactly that.

I mean, Toni, we have only been on this call with you for just a few minutes, and we already both are, like, doubled over laughing, which is no surprise.

As we knew would happen.

You do in your work, in your ministry.

Yeah.

We're just so grateful for you, friend.

I'm excited.

I've fallen off a little bit, but I love them.

And then I also love With the Perrys, Jackie Hill Perry and Preston Perry.

Okay, yeah.

Yeah.

like, it, it was, it was just this place of, like, where he didn't want me to make the gayness, the big thing.

And, you know, Jackie O'Perry said this perfectly.

This one man was sharing a story with her about his daughter being in that lifestyle.

You know, she's she's in this committed relationship with the woman and they prayed for her and they've said all that they can say or like, you know, just just planting seeds and they don't know what else to do.

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Those pigeons are all over Jackie Hill's fair and face.

Yeah.

Really, really triggering.

It's just she couldn't recognise her.

But Jackie Hill, that's where she started drama.

And then it was Cadbury's who said, we think you're really good.

We're going to help you.

Yeah.

i think like in that you know what got me on this topic was that i did listen to jackie hill perry's uh when you don't desire god and the moment that i started listening to it i just really felt seen

okay

in the aspect of this isn't a topic that usually like people in the church people that are following christ really want to talk about too often because it makes you look like you're not being a good fire or something.

I think they do a really good job.

They even have a new feature where you can listen to the Bible being read with different voices, like I think Kristen Getty and Jackie Hill Perry and some others.

And I think that's a really cool option.

Yes.