So if their cardiologist is recommending this calcium scan, what would you say they would, a better, something that's better or a better imaging

that they should ask for? Well, as far as imaging is concerned, you can do ultrasound.

You can do CIMT where you can check your carotids and stuff like that.

But the question, these are all, as we talked about before, these are just metrics, right? The 99-point assessment when you go to the car dealership.

So what are the 99 points? Like we talked about, these are markers of inflammation, oxidative stress, homocysteine, LP little a, apolipoprotein, BA ratios, intracellular vitamins and minerals, proteins and fats in the omega-3s.

For example, vitamin K2 has been studied.

And vitamin K2 keeps calcium in your bones and out of your arteries and even can contribute to plaque reversal.

What's most athletes missing when they assume fitness equals heart health and that we should be looking at things different?

Mm-hmm.

Uh, as do I, you know, of course, and I...

But I also know you expand, you know, from that.

But let's put the food story aside, although I will tell you, I was at the American College of Cardiology meetings in the year 2000, and I saw a debate between the late Robert Atkins and Dean Ornish, right? So now you've got a, a high-fat, low-carb guy in Atkins and then a low-fat, high-carb guy in Ornish, and those guys hated each other.

They absolutely hated each other from the stage and what they were going at there.

But aside from the food part of the story, let's talk about the lifestyle part, and that's really what's missing so often, that we're forgetting about what's going on with, you know, someone's sleep.

People who do not get high-quality sleep, they die more commonly of, of cardiac disease, uh, and everything else.

What are some things that most people are missing that they don't even think about?

How did that happen? I mean, how did you change things around?

Yeah.

You know, it's, um, there were resistance on a lot of different levels.

Certainly, cardiologists make a lot of money.

So when you're talking about a different paradigm, you're talking about, you know, you're in the sickness paradigm, but now you're talking about this wellness paradigm.

It upsets a lot of people.

Uh, when you no longer order nuclear stress tests or useless angiograms and surgeries that people really didn't need except for in really uncommon situations, uh, again, it upsets things financially.

Hmm.