Jack Hyles

I, you know, if you wanna know just how, how IFB that I am, you know, I mean, I can ...

I, I've got baby pictures where I'm being h- where I'm held by, you know, Jack Hyles and, and all that kind of stuff.

And so, um, you know, that, that's kind of where both of us come from.

And, uh, Tom, you wrote a whole book.

Lots

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he reminds me of Charles Finney and Jack Hyles.

Yeah.

It was actually one of the biggest things that split the Southern Baptist and created independent Baptist churches in America was Lester Roloff.

John Rice, Lee Robertson, and then Jack Hobbs.

That's where the independent Baptist church began.

Lester Roloff refused accreditation from the government.

can't get that.

And when you look at Will Reedy, he probably didn't know near of the Word of God what Jack Howes knew or Billy

Graham.

Guaranteed he didn't have their knowledge of the Word.

He's remaking pop songs and he's rewriting them with Jesus words on them, and they're getting up and they're singing them, and you're not even realizing the decay that's going on in the background." And all of a sudden, you're just gonna use his stamp of approval of what he's doing is right because he's growing.

The same thing goes with our own IFB brother in Jack Hyles, right? Uh, everyone puts him up on a pedestal for what the church was doing and not realizing the decay that was in the background that was literally sitting right behind him on the stage.

One was Jack Schaap and the other one was his mistress that was sitting right behind him, the things that was going on, and they just promote the growth and not see the negative.

And, the, the same would be s- similar as well.

Now, obv- obviously, excellence matters.

We should practice, we should play well, we should sing well, we should prepare well.

We said that last week when we went through, uh, Jack Hyles' episode on worship, uh, and music in his church.

He didn't use the word worship, he used music.

Oh, yeah.

No, it was the, the, it was the Jack Hyles episode.

No, that was before I knew I was pregnant.

I couldn't figure out why I was like...

You know, he'd never really seen anybody other than revival preachers, um, slam the pulpit or walk up and down the aisles.

He- the energy and the passion of all of it was really, really inspiring to him.

He started reading books by Jack Hyles and John R.

Rice, really loved them, and based on that he decided that he wanted to move to Hammond, Indiana, and go to Hyles-Anderson College.

And I think churches ought to be very careful when we start intentionally trying to affect people in ways, uh, they don't consciously recognize.

And, and, you know, Howes is only...

We can not only talk about this, Howes using this tactic in the IFB, I mean, there are mega churches with worship pastors and bands, um, that do, that kinda do the same thing.

Yep.

A- a- hey, I, I agree with that, Brett.

I think it's great.

Uh, a- you know, we're gonna get through the criticism here in just a moment, um, but I wanna hit the other side before we get started, uh, that I believe maybe takes some credit as we walk through this.

Um, Howes insist on this word that we like to use, and, and he uses it as well, preparation.

But I can't ever...

Jack Hyles said, "Come and preach about your call and filled with the Spirit." I said, "I can't do that.

I, I've never had an experience like you've had." He said, "Have you been filled with the Spirit?" I said, "I am." He said, "Then just come and tell it." I, I never saw the man, but the-- I was preaching.

God got in that service, and Dr. Lee Roberson, Mr. Dignified, double-breasted suit, in his 80s, stood on the, on the pew and began to wave his Bible.

ministry.Absolutely. Because, you know, um, we, we, we have to make some cookie cutter fundamentalists.

You know, we gotta make sure everybody's a mini Jack Hyles.

Now, I, I understand what Hyles means, and I actually agree with part of the idea.

If, if God gives our church 18 years to pour into a young person's life, we ought to take that responsibility seriously.

Yeah.

Another part of this book that I thought was fantastic in the concept, maybe not the practice, but the concept, uh, was good pastoral ministry.

Jack Hyles says that the pastor himself tries to personally meet with every high school senior before graduation, and now you think of, of First Baptist Hammond.

They're running 20,000, 30,000 people during this time.