Jack F. Matlock, Jr.

That doesn't mean that the people who set it up had that intention.

If you talk to Jack Matlock, I mean, uh, second last US ambassador to the Soviet Union, he, he was sincere.

I swear, uh, he's sincere about building a proper relationship.

But it doesn't matter if the system in the background then manages to twist that around, right? Then you become a tool in the, uh, in the, in the assault rather than a, um, uh, rather than, than, than a bridge for, for actually connec- uh, striking that connection.

... uh, you're going to unite your enemies against yourself.

Right.

So long as you entertain agreements, negotiations, discussions, and so forth, you're going to have very serious senior people with a certain authority in the, in the, in the hierarchy of the, of the other side, men like Jack Matlock, uh, who will favor coming to an understanding, coming to an agreement, and they will have some influence on the policymaker inside of the, uh, uh, of the, of the United States or Britain or wherever.

And that in the s- in the, in the way, uh, creates even a conflict between those who want such an agreement versus those who absolutely want war and confrontation.

we could talk about all of the reasons why this isn't sinking in.

I mean, I just last week, I had again, Ambassador Jack Matlock on my channel.

He's now 96 or 97.

And he was there.

Um, but, but so this is one reason we're so grateful to you for doing this program, 'cause we're hoping some of these wonderful people like, you know, r- reach out to us, but these are people who have.

So Ben Abelo, Kyle Anzalone, Chris Coyne, Robert Barnes, Dennis Fritz, Scott Horton, Ivan Katchenovski, Anatol Lieven, Pascal Lottaz, Jack Matlock, Alexander Mercouris, Mats Nilsson, Ted Postol, Ian Proud, Jeffrey Roberts, Richard Sakwa, Gary Vogler, and Lawrence Wilkerson.

That's who we have so far.

And there are a lot of people who demand that we finally, uh, get to terms in the West with the idea of living in a multipolar world, and that we do it peacefully and not, not, not through war fighting.

Unfortunately, none of your advisors will explain this to you before your meeting with Putin.

But you can have my arguments, verified by Jack Matlock, and Michael McFaul.

I do not want Putin, that bandit, thief, murderer of millions, to continue with his brazen deception, his lies, and his misleading of my president.

Of course, I am neither a military expert nor a political scientist, but I am a writer with a good memory.

It's in my stupid head from somewhere else.

But yes, Zamja Curry, and in fact... one more little parentheses here is Jack Matlock says that in George Bush senior's chicken Kiev speech, um, Oh, I screwed that up on your show a couple of weeks ago,

too.

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Welcome back.

We are joined today by Ambassador Jack Matlock, who had a frontline seat to many of the crises between the United States and Russia.

Ambassador Matlock was stationed at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.

He was Reagan's senior advisor on Soviet and European affairs.