J. Richard Hackman

know, and it's very hard for women to come to the top if they do not have a support system.

You know, I mean, one of my favorite professors was Richard Hackman.

He had written the book leading teams.

He was also a psychologist and he said, boards will never change if they do not have at least two or three women in a board, because they, Somehow, men just don't listen to women when they say something.