J. Frank Norris

Rice, you had all those guys.

But I think a lot of people point back to J. Frank Norris as kind of the father of fundamentalism.

Is that...

Would you agree with that title for him?

Um, so w- what happened as a result, because of the, the, the big men who came out of the Southern Baptist Convention, whether you're talking about Norris and Rice, um, Robertson, Hyles, those men who built enormous churches.

On the Northern Baptist Convention side, the men that came out, um, they formed fellowships, chose not to remake denominations because they saw the, the error of denominations, but they purposely chose to go a different direction.

Like the GRBC, which is a, a pretty large independent Baptist group, um, they have, uh, a, a, a policy called the no big man policy, and this was specifically in reaction to J. Frank Norris-

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