Israeli–Palestinian conflict

You know what I mean? Who's to say that the new invader is not going to be thankful to you? Dude, who opened the

tomb and when was the start of the Israeli-Palestinian War? Who opened it? Who opened the tomb? The

Israeli-Palestinian War has been going around.

I

know, but who opened it? Who started

Right, right

... on the Palestinian-Israeli War.

And you're like, "I've been doing this for 20-plus years, and I have such a nuanced opinion." Uh, how can you have-

Right

And, and I say this also in the book, that there's not much in the book that's necessarily new.

It's really focusing our, uh, thoughts and our ideas on revolutionary principles that have guided the Palestinian struggle for decades.

Uh, and so the ideology for me, the ideology of a national liberation movement for Palestine is really grounded in what we call the Thawabit, the fixed principles of, uh, the Palestinian movement, which is that, um, uh, we, we just, we have the right to self-determination as a Palestinian people.

This, the Palestinian people are singular.

I think Palestine has, uh, historically been open, uh, to many faiths and many pilg- uh, pilgrims, uh, regardless of their backgrounds.

And there are, you know, there have been waves of empire, uh, that have sedimented in Palestine that have changed the composition of the people in Palestine as well.

So the Palestinian struggle for liberation has never been a struggle to say, "Oh, actually Jews have no connection here," or, "Jews, uh, do not hold certain parts of Palestine sacred." But this is a very different thing than saying Jews have a right to come and colonize and build a so-called Jewish state on Palestinian lands while they dispossess and fragment the indigenous community.

These two things are not the same.

As Larry Sanger already said, one of the co-founders of Wikipedia.

But they did allow co-editing through a platform called Discord.

So it's an organized, basically propaganda effort is what you're saying.

It is.

In 2025, she hemmed and hawed over a proposal to create bubble zones around Jewish houses of worship and enterprises to protect their users from protest before finally agreeing to support the initiative.

Chow has also labeled, uh, the Israeli-Palestine War, uh, uh, following the October 7th, uh, Palestinian attack against Israel, in which 1,200 Israelis were killed and humanely brutalized, as a genocide against Palestinians.

Hmm.

Hmm.

But if you want a longer term improvement, you have to be talking about things like accountability.

You have to be talking about a broader Israel Palestine policy.

Neither administration has wanted to listen to their own experts on this region or on U.S. and international law.

I think it's very well said.

So like one instance, or not one instance, but like one issue with Hamas is that Hamas operates in a way to maximize civilian casualties at every single stage of combat.

So that's the thing that I have to factor in when I think of civilian casualties in Israel-Palestina.

Yep.

So if we can get into specifics.

because and other people could say this too but i think you're particularly equipped to say it if you're say practicing catholic or religious that the most like the most important thing is how you treat your neighbor is uh applying your love to the situation that you find yourself in right now um and when that sort of view goes out the window for you you become sort of unbalanced and politics, in some sense, can become your god.

And the weightiest moral... debates of which like the whole Israel Palestine thing is clearly one of them at the moment becomes like the gauge of your moral worth and so I feel like you know if you sort of subscribe to that view it's clear why it becomes sort of religious in nature like why people have to be denounced why people have to be forced into doing things because But like, if you don't view the world that way as we don't, it's like, as you said on a previous podcast, there's misery the world over every day.

And there's things, the West is implicated in much of that, far more.

The West is implicated in a lot more than just Israel and Palestine.