Isabelle Stengers

Yeah.

I'm, I guess I'm also thinking about Isabelle Stengers who, who said, said something along the lines of it's, you know, it's really powerful magic to deny... to claim that your magic is the only one that-

Mm

... is legitimate, right? And that, you know, and then to deny all these other ways of knowing, um, and being in the world, which is basically what, what capitalism has done.