Irving Stone

And that happens mostly after the Second World War.

I mean, we have Irving Stone's book.

We've talked about Irving Stone before, his great-

Yes [laughs]

... his great book, The Agony and the Ecstasy, about Michelangelo.

My mom read widely.

I mean, I just found out she passed away a few years ago, but I found Agony and Ecstasy by Irving Stone from 1958, which she's bought, and she sort of wrote [laughs] the biography of Michelangelo by Irving Stone.

And, and so I think she just encouraged us to, to, to read all fiction at that point in time.

You know, there was obviously the Enid Blyton and the, the stuff like that, which was the ones which were available.