Ipswich State High School

The best example of the two, so I, I was s- head of, head coach and therefore head of Rugby League at St. Gregory's when I had James Tedesco and Matt Groat and Adam Elliott and Joe Stimson in my teams, all played NRL.

And then I went to Ipswich State High, which were in the third division as a school, third in the third division.

And the way we built that, and this works for clubs too, the deputy principal basically acted as a CEO, if you like, i.e. everything off the field, and I was in charge of everything on the field and therefore coaching, recruitment, coordinating the whole, the whole program.

So, so the deputy principal was like the CEO or the president of a club, of a community club, if you like.