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Oct 27, 2026
WIMSE is Where Workload Identity is Getting Interesting
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0:39Heather FlanaganHOST
One of those efforts is something called Wimsy.
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0:42Heather FlanaganHOST
It's an IETF working group on workload identity in multi-system environments.
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0:46Heather FlanaganHOST
Interesting because it was addressing a problem that sounded fairly specialized until you realized how much modern infrastructure depends on what it was looking at, which is that software needs identities too.
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0:59Heather FlanaganHOST
And now a year later, I mean, Whimsy has actually gotten even more interesting than it already was.
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7:55Heather FlanaganHOST
Again, those drafts aren't actually adopted by WMSE.
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7:58Heather FlanaganHOST
Some proposals may eventually become WMSE documents.
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8:01Heather FlanaganHOST
Some may go to OAuth or another IETF working group.
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8:04Heather FlanaganHOST
Some may merge with other proposals, and some may simply disappear.
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16:34John BundyHOST
That's what it addresses.
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16:36John BundyHOST
Then they handed it over to an IETF working group.
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16:39John BundyHOST
And so it's no longer a vendor specific thing.
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16:42John BundyHOST
It's been handed over to a neutral body to manage.
TNO078: Designing Networks for Operations
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37:23Scott RobohnHOST
So talk a little more about the vendor neutrality or the vendor nuance issues that you've run into.
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37:30Bruce DavieGUEST
Yeah, I mean, this was a big part of my life at Cisco and to some degree also at VMware that I spent a lot of my life at the IETF for better and worse.
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37:45Bruce DavieGUEST
And one sort of anecdote I think that illustrates this was We came up with the idea of MPLS, BGP, VPNs.
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37:55Bruce DavieGUEST
And really, when I say we, it was mostly Eric Rosen and Jakob Rector were, I think, the brains behind that.
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38:19Bruce DavieGUEST
We just sort of published it because that was a thing you could do back in the 90s.
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38:23Bruce DavieGUEST
And then we started talking it up to some potential customers.
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38:28Bruce DavieGUEST
And pretty early on, the question would come up and say, when is this going to the IETF properly? Like, when are you going to actually standardize it? Because we have zero interest in deploying this if it only runs on Cisco gear.
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38:41Bruce DavieGUEST
And so the mandate from the big customers that these clever techniques had to interoperate came early and often.
Root Causes 679: Chrome Plans to Remove All Non-MTC CAs
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1:31Tim CallanHOST
This was part of the presentation that they gave.
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1:33Tim CallanHOST
And they did this in the IETF, and the workings of the IETF are meant for public consumption.
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1:39Tim CallanHOST
And the folks from Chrome are very astute, and they knew perfectly well that they were telling this to the public when they put it in there.
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1:45Tim CallanHOST
So we're just passing along what they decided to say about their plans.
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9:14Jason SorokoHOST
And I think it deserves an entire episode, Tim.
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9:18Jason SorokoHOST
And you just mentioned Turducken certificates, which sounds like the craziest thing ever.
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9:23Jason SorokoHOST
But yes, that is, in fact, an IETF standardization process.
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9:26Jason SorokoHOST
And that needs its own
TNO078: Designing Networks for Operations
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37:23Scott RobohnHOST
So talk a little more about the vendor neutrality or the vendor nuance issues that you've run into.
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37:30Bruce DavieGUEST
Yeah, I mean, this was a big part of my life at Cisco and to some degree also at VMware that I spent a lot of my life at the IETF for better and worse.
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37:45Bruce DavieGUEST
And one sort of anecdote I think that illustrates this was We came up with the idea of MPLS, BGP, VPNs.
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37:55Bruce DavieGUEST
And really, when I say we, it was mostly Eric Rosen and Jakob Rector were, I think, the brains behind that.
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38:19Bruce DavieGUEST
We just sort of published it because that was a thing you could do back in the 90s.
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38:23Bruce DavieGUEST
And then we started talking it up to some potential customers.
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38:28Bruce DavieGUEST
And pretty early on, the question would come up and say, when is this going to the IETF properly? Like, when are you going to actually standardize it? Because we have zero interest in deploying this if it only runs on Cisco gear.
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38:41Bruce DavieGUEST
And so the mandate from the big customers that these clever techniques had to interoperate came early and often.
TNO078: Designing Networks for Operations
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37:23Scott RobohnHOST
So talk a little more about the vendor neutrality or the vendor nuance issues that you've run into.
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37:30Bruce DavieGUEST
Yeah, I mean, this was a big part of my life at Cisco and to some degree also at VMware that I spent a lot of my life at the IETF for better and worse.
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37:45Bruce DavieGUEST
And one sort of anecdote I think that illustrates this was We came up with the idea of MPLS, BGP, VPNs.
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37:55Bruce DavieGUEST
And really, when I say we, it was mostly Eric Rosen and Jakob Rector were, I think, the brains behind that.
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38:19Bruce DavieGUEST
We just sort of published it because that was a thing you could do back in the 90s.
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38:23Bruce DavieGUEST
And then we started talking it up to some potential customers.
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38:28Bruce DavieGUEST
And pretty early on, the question would come up and say, when is this going to the IETF properly? Like, when are you going to actually standardize it? Because we have zero interest in deploying this if it only runs on Cisco gear.
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38:41Bruce DavieGUEST
And so the mandate from the big customers that these clever techniques had to interoperate came early and often.
AI Agent Identity Explained: Who Controls What Your Agents Can Do?
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12:24Jas KaurHOST
So where we are as of October 2026? Things which are shipped, agent identities in major directories, the latest MCP specification with tight authorization rules and cross app access with several identity vendors adopted within days of each other.
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12:40Jas KaurHOST
Things which are still in draft are OAuth 2.1 itself and an IETF proposal on agent authentication co-written by engineers from Okta, Ping, AWS, Zscaler, OpenAI and DeFacto.
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12:52Jas KaurHOST
NIST is still working on it too.
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12:55Jas KaurHOST
And the biggest gap which is still there is a standard for one agent safely handing work to another which is still open.
Governance Is the Accelerator: Josh Woodruff (CSA) on Getting Agents Out of Pilot Purgatory
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19:41Josh WoodruffGUEST
I think it's desperately needed.
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19:43Josh WoodruffGUEST
And I want nothing more than to help Dick and Carl and everybody else get these IETF standards shift.
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19:49Josh WoodruffGUEST
But as they always say, you got to make it easy, right? You got to make it easy for people to use these things for them to work.
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19:55Josh WoodruffGUEST
And I think we're getting there.
Talking Tech on Trust, Power, and the Future of Technology Governance
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8:13Sally WentworthGUEST
The issue that you're speaking about right now, I think, is really important.
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8:17Sally WentworthGUEST
And I guess, you know, ISOC directly doesn't engage on this, but where this is happening, of course, a lot of the discussion around this is in the Internet Engineering Task Force.
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8:28Sally WentworthGUEST
And that's really important because the extent to which this conversation can happen in an open standards environment is a really good thing.
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8:37Sally WentworthGUEST
So much of the dialogue around AI is happening within proprietary systems in these closed off environments.
The Internet Has No Off Switch: AI’s Security Debt, ICANN Lessons & the Scam Tsunami
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40:39Brian CuteGUEST
There really was a, and still is in the ICANN space, a group of engineers who built it, designed it, but also cared very deeply about how the technology was used.
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40:53Brian CuteGUEST
And you have standards bodies like the IETF out there that are still doing what's important in terms of creating the right standards.
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41:01Brian CuteGUEST
But that community played such an important role in how governance of the domain name system grew.
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41:10Brian CuteGUEST
And they were a presence in ICANN throughout those years and often consulted, you know, that's the The first thing I did when I got to Network Solutions is I called actually one of the engineers I work with today, Leslie Daigle, who's the CTO at Global Cyber Alarmist.
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