ICG plc

We also have M&G, which is a similar story.

And in other parts of financials, ICG, which is the private debt, private equity holding, that's been hurt by basically negative sentiment around private credit in the US.

It's an area of the market, particularly around data center finance, where they have absolutely minimal exposure, but they've been caught up with that.

So the shares have been weak.

Thank you very much for being with me on Allium.

I mean, we can't wait to dig into you, really, and what you've done, your experience through 20 plus years in private equity at Carlyle, ICG, and now Sullivan Street Partners.

So you specialize also on complicated deals.

I wonder why.

It was an amazing experience, incredibly intense.

And then wanted to completely flip in terms of the sorts of private equity I did.

And that's when I joined ICG and then Sullivan Street after that.

Okay.