Institute of Environmental Management and Assessment

Had all the ups and downs, as you can imagine, over the last two decades.

I became a chartered environmentalist in 2005 through IEMA, which is now ISEP, as you kindly said at the start, April.

So a fellow of Institute for Sustainability and Environmental Professionals as well.

I'm a big fan of training, upskilling, hopefully helping people develop competencies and a big fan of the ISEP skills map.

Definitely.

And I think if you can target those, like you say, schools, colleges where the younger generation are still in education.

I didn't know about IEMA, which is now ISAP, until I did my MBA.

And I was like, oh, wow, this is amazing.