Institute of Chartered Foresters

So maybe not from a higher level organisational level.

Yeah, so we talked to my mate Andrew Sowerby, who is the president of the ICF, the Institute of Chartered Foresters.

Known him a long time, very knowledgeable man, and he comes from a different place than I do.

So I am very much on the ground.

I'm the director of Brommen and Abbey Limited, one of the directors there.

We're a woodland management company that cover Wales and West England.

And I'm here at the APF today because I'm also the president of the Institute of Chartered Foresters.

And I've been meeting some apprentices today and just meeting people in the industry.