But I wonder if you could explain for people who, who don't necessarily understand the status of those drawings in the Raphael show and how we might think about them and the fact that they were saved and that we, and treasured and looked at, and how that related to the shifting status of the artist that Raphael himself kind of embodies.

It's Vasari who was born in fifteen eleven, so he's born right when Raphael's painting the Stanza della Segnatura and just taking-- basically, Raphael takes off about fifteen ten.

He was hired to do The School of Athens and what we always call the dispute about the sacrament, but it's really the triumph of theology.

And he gets the contract in fifteen oh eight as one of a team, and then by fifteen oh nine he's got it.

But right that moment is when Giorgio Vasari's born in Arezzo of a family that Vasario means potter, [chuckles] and so he's really George Potter.

And he's really evidently intelligent, so he gets a non-craftsman's education, which Raphael didn't.

Raphael went right into craft, even though his father was a poet.

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