United States Immigration and Naturalization Service

Can you tell us more about that? I mean, because part of the dragnet...

You describe the way the then INS, you're kind of trying to get a handle on this.

They start categorizing people by nationality, right? And you say, like, that was tricky when it came to Palestinians because the United States government didn't recognize a Palestinian nation, actually.

So for the bureaucratic purposes, how does that work? But there was a quote where people were getting arrested and they had to bring their paperwork, right, to immigration services.

And I want to say it was the biggest change in U.S. bureaucracy since World War II.

And part of DHS was creating ICE.

And one of the fundamental differences between ICE and its predecessor, which was INS, Immigration and Naturalization Services, was that ICE was not just a bureaucratic processing agency.

It was also an enforcement agency, right? It was combining enforcement at the borders and also enforcement in the homeland.

Right.

Prior to 9/11, INS was under the auspices of the Department of Justice.

They were living within the culture of the Department of Justice-

Mm

But it's also curious to me, you're the federal government.

You're talking about the Department of Immigration and Naturalization Services, INS.

You could easily get this paperwork from INS because it's filed with INS.

So let's be very clear about this, right? So if either A, you somehow could not obtain that paperwork from INS, the government agency responsible for processing these requests, and they didn't have it, why do you think some years later that Ilhan Omar is going to have it? number not number b if you will uh the paperwork itself is very unlikely to show the type of discrepancy 20 years later that you think is going to be your smoking gun to use in court somehow invalidate her citizenship and then indirectly invalidate uh her candidacy or her her place as a u.s representative so i i don't see this as much more than a harassment uh uh technique and i am curious as to how the government intends to maintain a good faith base basis for such a broad search uh if they are called to the carpet on it which is why i suspect in part they were re reigned in by the federal judge who said you can't go that far

i think we have um something that i want to play now do we have it uh the sound bite it's what yes Okay, is he live doing it? Can we get the live feed? Is that possible? Okay, so apparently he's harassing her right now.

Here it is.

Um, uh, but he tells, uh, of his arrest, he actually tells of two arrests.

And what often, very often happens when people are falsely ar- ar- arrested, the, the, the INS s- a- according to the judge, there are countless instances where the I- where ICE says, uh, it, it, it jailed people because of a misidentification.

It thought it was, they were looking for a target, uh, and, and they thought this was the target.

And here he basically says, um, well, he, it, it, I'll tell you what, exactly what he says.