Ilya Repin

No, that's fair.

It might just be speculation because I think that artists like Ilya Repin and people like that who you see start to abstract certain forms and start to create this kind of balance between the figurative and the more obscured kind of portions of how to paint can become a bit more of a fascination, I think, for the non-traditional artist.

So that may be where that conversation has come from.

But there is a lot of reverence for how well that you do learn in Russia.