... raising all this money.

money.Yeah.

So I mean, it's, it's, it's pretty hard to do.

Um, so like I, I encountered this problem firsthand because I was leading, um, Gen AI engineering and, and, and products at Discord.

We were launching these, these apps to hundreds of millions of people.

And like, to, to do this right, you really need to be able to train models that can behave adversarially, because your GPT or your Claude is not really going to be a good red teamer or attacker off the shelf.

Um, and, uh, just kind of test, uh, ex- extremely extensively, like over tens or even hundreds of thousands of test cases, to try to find all those rough edges.

Getting, like are you kind of running these sort of like repetitive, uh, attempts in order to like find problems, so that you can stop them? Or, or is the product itself kind of, uh, you, you have it, things figured out enough that you can sort of, that, that you let them kind of like in their communities try to jailbreak it and then react to it?