Human communication

If you have human communication, you will create human bonds.

And I think that's a key part of leadership and so many other

things.

I'm from Riverdale in the Bronx.

It's a long story.

But the point is, if you have human communication, you will create human bonds.

And I think that's a key part of leadership and so many other things.

I mean, do you think that that's what drives some of this real estate not being a cost center and a mechanism of production is that human bond? I mean, it feels like the return to office, you know, you could go back and forth on if it's real or if we're in the eighth iteration or where we're at in that cycle.