Mm

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when they came, came along.

Now, it seems that although the police behaved badly, poorly, did a poor job when they got there, you can't draw a direct link between how they behaved and the guidance that is given to police over race.

Yes

...

when he was talking about this.

The quote, the quote that he said, he said, "Henry Novak died in the same way that a civilization dies, abandoned, handcuffed by the authorities who neither trusted nor cared f- for him and accused of hate crimes he did not commit." Now, the last bit of that-

But, like, in the decade since, how have you navigated being someone who is Jewish in public as all these stories swirl and all these tectonic plates politically are kind of bucking underneath us?

Oh, it's been awful.

Um, [clears throat] and it's been awful in all kinds of directions.

Um, I'm still, as I said, I'm close to a lot of my more Orthodox family.

I'm also close to my, some extremely secular family, but, who now live in Israel.

In fact, I was texting, texting one of them today, you know, from his, from his bomb shelter.

Uh, that being said, I'm a North London liberal, right? And I have, uh, views on the conduct of the Israeli government that are not that different from, you know, the next person in Crouch End, probably.

Also very funny

Right.

It's very diff-- It's been...

This week, man.

I mean, so Keir Starmer sacked Olly Robbins from being the head of the Foreign Office, for he said, not telling him that Peter Mandelson had failed his vetting, which is both true and not true.

[laughing]

Right? It's true that the, the vetting body asked Mandelson all sorts of questions, did put together a document which they recommended that he did fail the vetting.

But Robbins said he couldn't have told Starmer about this because he hadn't seen it, which might make you wonder what the point is of putting together a huge document-

Oh, right

You know, Pope Leo, uh, responded to him basically and said, "Jesus is the king of peace who rejects war, whom no one can use to justify war.

He does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war but rejects them."

Right.

Same as if you, if you are, if you're a member of another minority faith.

Where it is complicated coming from somebody like Zia Yusuf is that's precisely the sort of Christianity-That the rest of Reform appear to not have.

You know, they're not into Christianity 'cause it is an umbrella-

Yeah

... is that on one level, the way he acts, the way he uses language, the way he presents truth looks a bit like somebody who's really mastered the art of Wittgensteinian truth signifiers, right? You know, he's got a really deep-

Yes.

Which was like, I mean, I guess, I guess it's true, but it's not the way the language normally works.

Or like, he had another one just yesterday.

He spoke to The Telegraph.

He said, "Iranian-backed terrorism, 'cause people have lost arms, they've lost legs, they've lost faces."