Hugh Templeton

And I want you to justify yourself.

Well, I was always, as I've told you before, a great fan of Hugh Templeton.

And he was the first person I ever worked for in the old Karori electorate.

And Hugh came up with the idea of a commission for the future.

I bet George Gere would have had problems.

Hugh Templeton would have had problems.

It is a fundamental change to something that is absolutely sacrosanct.

And, of course, it's designed as a political gimmick, and I think the minister himself said, oh, well, it would have to be referred to the Attorney General.