And I'll pass it over to you.

Thanks a lot.

So this is 80 Years of Women's Hour.

For 80 years, in kitchens and in living rooms, in offices, then cars, then in headphones, we have listened.

We have listened as women talk to women.

It might seem simple now, difficult to imagine my grandma's jubilation, tuning that radio in the kitchen to listen, just to listen to this hour devoted entirely to women.

The first time, she listened like a whisper, unsure, as if spying on her own mind, secrets slowly spoken into public spaces, no entry sign finally ripped off.

Have you always found that easy?

Have you got any kind of theory on what your kind of secret source is? Like, do you have a theory on how to become successful as a creative? Have you got any, like, pet theories on that?

No.

I don't.

Right, I don't know about the actual poetry.

I spend a long time writing and editing my poems and I feel like people always assume that I don't because whatever, they're not surreal, the vocabulary isn't that difficult, all of that.

So I feel like a lot of the poems, I've taken a long, long, long time to research the stuff behind them.

And I guess because some of them are kind of funny, like people find humor in them.

yeah, yeah, yeah.

Toughest challenge I have navigated so far has kind of widely been talking about death.

Like, we've had a couple of people close in the family and my grandma died.

And my daughter was really close to her.

She had four great grandmas when she was born, which is amazing.

And she was about nine when I had to go in and tell her.

But just... trying to explain things to a child that I don't know what I believe.