Holcim Group

And you will see a company called Lafarge, which was exposed to bribery and corruption and, I mean, endangerment of human life in Syria, et cetera, et cetera.

And Mathias Gartner, which was on... on stage today was a general counsel of Holcim at the time he was my boss.

We cleaned together with obviously the company, we cleaned the company structure, we cleaned the company behavior, et cetera.

And it was an absolutely great journey.

This case was filed against Shell.

There's a case that's been running for a few years by Indonesian islanders from the island of Pari in Switzerland against Holcim, a major cement company, another carbon major.

and also recently filed as a case by Pakistani farmers affected by devastating floods several years ago against RWE and Heidelberg Materials.

So this is also in the German court.

So these alternatives, they can reduce the carbon intensity of the concrete substantially whilst maintaining structural performance.

So I've previously featured Wholesome Concrete, H-O-L-C-I-M Concrete on the podcast.

We discussed their specific low carbon alternative, what it's like to work with, how to navigate it with your team if they're resisting using it.

Both Holcim and Boral, they have these low carbon alternatives that are available in most locations.

W- what are the other company as well?

Um, we have Holcim Cements.

We have-

One of the most difficult.

Holcim? Oh.

Yeah.

Yeah, because-

I, I guess the, to, if I were to bring you and showcase two projects, I'll show you, number one, a multinational established power intensive industry.