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Sep 9, 2026
Clay Parker-JonesGUEST
But it's always something that can be remixed into something else.
Clay Parker-JonesGUEST
Like an entire operating system like Holacracy, which I talk a little bit about in the book,
Michael Bungay StanierHOST
Just to jump in, Holacracy is a style of organizational self-management best known for not quite working at Zappos back in their heyday.
Clay Parker-JonesGUEST
That wouldn't be a pattern.
Clay Parker-JonesGUEST
That's like a combination of patterns.
Julian TeickeGUEST
Um, so I...
Julian TeickeGUEST
When we started WeFox, I actually experimented with, you know, self-governing structures, implemented Holacracy.
Julian TeickeGUEST
Uh, have been, you know, always had a coach.
Julian TeickeGUEST
Um, uh, actually implemented coaching for all of my employees, and we had, like, 1,500 at peak, um, with coaches on payroll.
Anna Fernsten NilénHOST
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Fatoş ÜstekGUEST
Yeah, there is actually an organization called Holacracy.
Anna Fernsten NilénHOST
Ah.
Fatoş ÜstekGUEST
Um, that's all a movement about also how you almost create, um, um, [lips smack] a kind of a, you know, a flat hierarchy across the organization.
Lawrence LamGUEST
The key thing is that I mentioned Zappos in the book, which is they tried to employ a self-management style of business.
Lawrence LamGUEST
It was called Holocracy.
Lawrence LamGUEST
Is that right? Yeah, correct.
Lawrence LamGUEST
Yes.
Lawrence LamGUEST
But the only issue they faced was the roles weren't clearly delineated enough.
Lawrence LamGUEST
And they were very close to making it work.
Lawrence LamGUEST
And in fact, Holocracy has worked in the past in the mining industry in the UK centuries ago.
Lawrence LamGUEST
It did work because it kind of encourages people to... fill in spots within a team that they see a gap in.