HM Prison Maze

Um, and the bitterness of those, those years of the troubles that, that, you know, they were a team.

I know they weren't a team that, you know, they, they certainly weren't watching the matches in the Maze Prison feeling that this team is representing us.

But I do think that's very interesting, because I r- you know, years later, around two- 2001, um, maybe a bit later- Uh, I remember covering Northern Ireland's matches at the time when Neil Lennon-

Mm

But, uh, but also you had Bobby Sands and you had what the British did up in Northern Ireland, which came quite close to Guantanamo.

Yeah, Long Kesh, um, you know, uh, uh, still people in our living memory, uh, who were there.

The reality of Guantanamo Bay, the, okay, opened after 9/11, the big Obama promise was to close it.

It never happened.

And, uh, so th- y- those young lads were, were radicalized by f- shadowy figures in the community.

And then he joined the, the UVF, and thought he was doing the right thing, was caught transporting explosives, which landed him in Long Kesh prison.

And in Long Kesh is where he had this sort of conversion.

Yeah.

Um-

Yeah.

What happened in Long Kesh, and who was influential in, in that? Now, he was in there with, uh, with, uh, Gusty Spence, so-

Yeah.