Hillsborough Law

So, that's part of the problem.

But I do think the Hillsborough Law is a very good step in the right direction of forcing people to tell the truth.

But that thing about accountability still hasn't been got right.

And one of the things which Margaret Thatcher tried to do, and I was part of it in the Cabinet Office, one of my early jobs was she would try to set up what she called next step agencies where civil servants chief executives were recruited and supposed to be held accountable when things go wrong the passport agency for example dvla how's that worked out

But Hillsborough generally and, and whistleblowing, do we think there is enough strength there to, um, reveal the rot from the inside, is the phrasing of the online question.

So I, I, I'm not familiar with the Hillsborough Law, I'm sorry.

But, but one of the things though that we did try to do and failed was to upgrade the UK's, um, whistleblowing, um, uh, ca- capabilities and the protections for whistleblowers, and we, we didn't get that through Parliament.

Uh, there were a number of different backbench attempts, um, to, to upgrade that.

Um, that is vitally important, and we are not good at that in this country.

Mm-hmm.

I, I can't speak to whether or not the Hillsborough Law is going to solve all of that.

Um, but it was a very, very low starting point a couple of years ago.