Herman Dooyeweerd

Um, they participate instead in this kind of reductionism.

Whereas a Christian or certainly a reformational critique, the tradition that you and I are from, um, with the insights of men like, um, Kuyper and Dooyeweerd and Van Til and so on, is that there is a religious root to our being, and that you can't reduce man to the biological or to the rational or to the ethnic or whatever, um, and see politics in that light.

There's something that the life of man transcends these functional aspects of his existence.

And so the heart is the religious root of man's being that needs to be transformed by regeneration ultimately for a, for a truly transformed social order, and the principle of the kingdom of God, um, as the only totalizing reality that God's word allows.

All right, would you say that you heard papers or interacted with people who challenged some of your thinking in that way?

Yeah, I think, um, uh, one particular paper, you know, a shout out to him, Israel Costa, um, presented a very, uh, sympathetic, supportive account of Dooyeweerd.

So I'm still rustling through Dooyeweerd, and I asked him questions about Dooyeweerd's relationship to Schleiermacher.

So I thought that that was really interesting.

I think he had a pretty good response to that.

Those are the only two options.

This is, this is what people like Kuyper and Dooyeweerd are going to call the, the religious antithesis.

There is this unbridgeable divide which separates allegiance to Christ from allegiance to any idols.

Um, and so ultimately what that means is for Christians who think that they can just sort of accommodate, uh, to the patterns of this world when it comes to politics because politics is unimportant, because God isn't interested in it, or at the very least maybe, you know, maybe it's not worthless but is at least worth less, you know, than something like our, our, um, ecclesiastical ministry or, or, you know, evangelism or missions or something like that, um, Kuyper is going to say you f- you fail to understand who you are and what kind of a creature you are.

Yeah.

That's really good.

So, um, before we get to, to, uh, Dooyeweerd and, and Father Abraham-

Yeah