whether it affects them or maybe they see other people in their circle with their kids maybe not spending enough time because they might not be outdoorsy people have you got any sort of advice for that because that friction point is good about instilling that kind of good friction but from a parent's perspective that their own friction trying to get outdoors with people have you got any advice on that as a you know to try and encourage them to take that first step because it doesn't need to be a big grand camping adventure or you know a canoe trail or something like that but it's just to almost point people to resources or get them to be engaging in that way so that you know they can still to build connection

yeah yeah it's it's a good question i think i think it's very easy to be overwhelmed with anything outdoorsy again i think It's hard to tune into that really clearly because it's something that I'm generally...

I'm not the most hardcore adventurer out there, but I'm quite happy to lean in a bit to adventurous environments and try things out.

But for a lot of people, it's really intimidating and overwhelming.

And the feedback I'm getting...

since starting Outside Kids is I think a lot of our audience, a lot of the audience are, you know, people that haven't got a lot of experience doing this.

Certainly some that do, but just don't have time and they perhaps want to bring that back.

Yeah, right.

Did you set that up when you were in Australia?

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

So, so once I got to Sydney, I got a, a sort of an office, kind of an office job, I suppose you'd call it.

It was quite interesting, but it was just kinda hard being sat in front of a compu- computer.

And, and then I, I sort of quit that quite quickly and ended up getting into corporate team building, and that was, that, that was kinda fun.

Uh, but I really wanted toDo something that was mine and I wanted it to be somewhat in the realm of, you know, what I've been doing for the last few years with adventure.

Yeah.