I've asked him here to tell us a fascinating story of how a humble matchbox became the center of a musical resistance to Brazil's dictatorships in the 1930s and the 1960s.

the beginning of the history of samba is a history of evasion, where musicians who play that type of music had kind of to hide, because that music was often associated with West African religions, mostly like orishas type of religions, that in Brazil gained a different name.

It was called candomblé and umbanda.

And in Brazil, the religion was one of the big problems.

Religions were forbidden.

The music wasn't necessarily forbidden, but the problem is that it's really hard to separate the music and the religion, especially when you talk about West African culture in general.

So differently than in the U.S. where percussion was abolished in the 1700s.

was the difference between that and the dictatorship in 1965? Oh,