Helen Wambach

And so I found out later as I read, uh, uh, other reports from other psychologists and psychiatrists that, uh, this is what many people had found, that as they gave these kinds of suggestions, that people spontaneously slipped into what they felt was a past life experience.

So I began to, uh, correspond with Dr. Helen Wambach, a psychologist out in, uh, California, and went out there during a American Psychological Association meeting and talked with her about her data from, uh, workshops.

And so in 1978, joined a, a couple of dozen people who were learning how to, to, uh, present these workshops.

And over the last 15 years, my wife and I have put on 155 workshops or so to about 2,000 people.

I think it's very important.

I haven't done a great deal myself, but I've talked with groups of people who've had near-death experiences.

And of course, Helen Wambach, when she came to our UFO conference one year, she'd had a near-death experience, uh, after a triple bypass heart operation, and she said, "Leo, first thing I thought of when I came out, uh, of this tunnel," and talking with a father figure who said, "No, your work isn't done.

Uh, uh, you've been working on past life stuff.

And many of these clinicians came to believe that whether the memories were literal or symbolic or something else entirely, working through them could help people heal.

So this was the world that Carol was stumbling into through writers like Roger Woolger and Edith Fiore and Helen Wambach, who we'll return to later in the season.

But these books were about adults in regression therapy, and Carol's situation was different.

Chase was five years old, sitting on her lap in the kitchen when he started describing vivid details about a battlefield.