Am I right that it was gonna close? And you, and you went public with that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I mean, I, I walked into a business and I, [sighs] I know it sounds funny, but you know, you walk into any business, and I'm a sit and listen person, so, you know, I just wanted to kind of get the lay of the land.

And what I'll note is that coming into the business, I am the seventh CE in, like, 12 years.

Um, so, you know, there's been a consistent flow of senior leadership in the organization.

And, uh, you know, we know within even a corporate construct, having continual change of leadership causes inconsistencies, and it causes gaps, and that's what I had walked into.

... tell us what you have done and, and, you know, is it going fast enough though for, for Helen Hughes and for the, for the, [laughs] for the organization?

Helen, I know you wanted to jump in.

I do.

Um, and actually might link some of those comments that my colleagues have said, but going back to, to, to Jagtar, I mean, it does frustrate me.

You, you mentioned about being on the steps of the court.

I see, uh, you know, senior leaders on the TV, you know, head slightly put to one side, uh, hands being wrung saying, "We've learnt lessons." I don't want to hear that.

I want to hear what lessons have you learnt, what are you gonna do differently, how are you gonna make improvements, how are you gonna evaluate that, and how are you gonna share that more broadly so that no one else has to go through avoidable harm, that the learning is shared more broadly? And, uh, interesting, Jagtar, that you mentioned about your role in fire safety.

We have a very...

Yep.

Can you talk a little bit about that?

Yeah, I think that's, for me, one of the most interesting things about going after this book, wondering where it came from and how she could have written it.

We've got several boxes of papers, manuscripts, photographs.

some notebooks.

She was a great collector of scrapbooks as well.

But with respect to Quarry, what I found was actually, I guess, the original manuscript.

It's not the final version.

So what are we supposed to make of this child, Helen? Do you have the

So it's all yours, Helen.

Okay.

So Sanctuary Mountain Maungatautari, first of all, I probably should explain what that is for a lot of people that aren't aware of us.

So if you're heading south from Hamilton and you're heading towards Cambridge, on the expressway you'll see a mountain, a maunga there, and that is where we are located.

So just behind Takarapiro, about a half an hour from Cambridge, an hour from Hamilton.

The sanctuary was formed 25, almost 25 years ago by the community.

There was an opportunity for us to put a predator or pest-proof fence up.

And, you

Love to hear a bit about where it is and then the origin story.

Sure, sure.

So, you know, I do laugh because it's quite essentially Kiwi to describe us as, you know, the bottom of the world.

But if we're at the bottom, then what we are is the foundation of the world.

And for me, you know, New Zealand is the foundation of the world.

We have...

some of the rarest and most unusual species on the planet.

you have – you've been – where you've been innovative and you've, like some of the things that I picked up from a distance were, and I don't know if this is wholly relevant, but sort of commercialization of your IP or, you know, like your experience, but also you've started to explore, like other industries have done around carbon credits, nature credits, like that's, tell us what you have done and what, You know, is it going fast enough though for Helen Hughes and for the organisation?