Heidi Keller

Well, first off, let's deal with the white folk.

There was an author by the name of Heidi Keller who challenged all of that.

She said, "Nah, man, we can't make John Bowlby's attachment theory everybody's, uh, descriptor." Why? Because it was normed on white folk, middle class white folks.

She said, "We can't do that." Her book challenged it.

You should look it up, Heidi Keller.

The Myth of Attachment Theory by Heidi Keller, right? But we're gonna use that, but when we start thinking about Black folk here in America, we were given a survival kata.

Well, it, we developed it, I should say.

I don't know if it was given to us.