Heather Hartnett

I mean, you

know, it's one of my early investors and she's a board member, Heather Hartnett from Human Ventures.

She actually, she's a VC investor now, but she used to be in the nonprofit sector and I was talking to her as I was starting Groundswell, and she said, Jake, you're going to have this interesting moment where you're going to realize that you've been training with ankle weights on.

Any athlete that's ever worn ankle weights knows what it's like the moment you take those things off.