Heather Armstrong

You know, TPM is not just by far and away is not just him, right? Like he can go on vacation and TPM, you may not even notice he's on vacations.

You know, there was Heather Armstrong, you know, who's sadly gone, but with deuce.com, you know, it was definitely in some ways the most successful, but no, there's not that many.

And I definitely thought, I mean, I'm no longer surprised by it, but I, I thought at the time, And there was a shared background, like me and Kotke and Heather in particular, who've all been together and talked about it at times.

I think it was XOXO at one year in Portland where we just sort of, you know, and our significant others were like, let those three just go off.