Health Education England

Um, always had really positive feedback from them.

And then a role came up at London South Bank, um, with Health Education England about supporting students when they're out on placement, because that research shows that that's where they struggle the most, particularly with this program.

So I applied for that role, got the job.

And then basically haven't left since I became a lecturer and then a senior lecturer and now the course leader.

You've mentioned levers quite a lot.

The reason I ask the question is because one of the things that I did straight after leaving medicine or initially putting one foot in, one foot out was to work in policy and I worked at NHS England, I worked at Health Education England, and it gave me an understanding of, oh, hold on a minute.

You can change a rule here, and all of a sudden you enable so much innovation downstream because all of a sudden these companies have to adhere to this rule.

And technology is the answer.

Maybe it reflects the naughtiness of, you know, an unpopular war and, and, um, the kind of political fallout from that.

But I mean, I don't know, how do you see it in, how did you see it in NHS England? You know, did you, what were some examples of where you saw kind of change being led from, from those kind of instrumental decisions?

Yeah, it was when I was at Health Education England, actually.

I remember there was a rule change around how GP practices had to do triage.