Harry Mudd

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Harry Mudd on the A-Team, but he's also-

Oh, yes.

There is a guy who kinda looks like that.

yeah yeah yeah that is true and like i think like with Discovery is interesting like in terms of like you say Richard with the kind of Enterprise thing because I suppose the thought process was that if this is like before Kirk and Spock, you can maybe kind of, because I think actually as Star Trek goes on in the sort of 21st century, it's not like it was in the 90s where you have a coherent timeline where next gen is interacting with DS9, is interacting with Voyager.

This is kind of, Discovery is kind of set up as a prequel to the original series and it has like Harry Mudd shows up yeah and like the Klingon but it's also kind of radically redesigning the Klingons and it's a lot darker and it's kind of I think owes a lot more to like Game of Thrones and particularly the Klingon stuff they kind of go well what's that

what

is that kind of political intrigue that we used to do in Next Gen and Undiscovered Country and stuff what does that look like post Game of Thrones

I don't do a lot of birthdays, but I thought this was interesting.

1932, 27th of September, was the birth date of one Roger Carmel, who you would remember as Harry Mudd.

From the original series, both Harry Mudd and Mudd's Women.

When you said who else, I almost said Leo Walsh.

Good boy, incorrect.

I don't know if either of you are thoughtful around sci-fi, certainly in the space you operate in, you must have to think about such things.

But when you were telling that story, it immediately made me think of the Harry Mudd episode of Star Trek, when Captain Kirk says, everything Harry tells you is a lie, no matter what, everything he says is a lie.

And then he says, I'm lying.

And then the Android can't reconcile the statement that he's lying is a lie.

Nothing.

But it's Harry Mudd.

It is, yes.

Took me a minute.

And I do think that, you know, like it is telling that both Lower Decks and Prodigy have brought O'Connor back because he is memorable.

He is their attempt to do a sort of Harry Mudd, I guess, like someone striking and a little bit, you know, roguish.

But they've

kind of, they've already got Mrs.

yeah, so I don't know what's happening with that.

Because last week was kind of a stand-alone Harry Mudd episode, wasn't

it? Yeah, there wasn't anything sort of outside that.

It was a bottle episode.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But we did give last week's Harry Mudd episode a seven.

That was good.

I remember episodes pretty clearly.

And so in this one particular episode, there was a character named Harry Mudd.

Harry Mudd was a nemesis of James T. Kirk.

Yes, yes.

He was kind of like a space con man.

Yeah.

And Harry Mudd, you know, at one point he lured the Enterprise to an orbit around this one particular planet that Harry Mudd was on.

And Harry Mudd on this planet was like the king.

Um-

Sorry, my, my, my brain went to Harcourt Fenton Mudd.

[laughs]

Yeah.