Harley-Davidson VRSC

No way.

On your V-Rod, on

your

lab sled.

He's not allowed to ride it.

I know the first Harley I had, that's all obviously Imperial.

But I'm not sure what the V-Rod is.

I haven't really worked on it.

Yeah.

For me, uh, with the whole ride, it helped me at one point, literally my motorcycle saved my life when I was going through that really dark time and I got on my V-Rod and in that moment of mounting the V-Rod and taking off, uh, all those thoughts just immediately went away

yeah

and from that point on that was my first harley and i was like you know what like this is it this is my thing this is my cure this is my purpose and since then i've just been truly addicted to it i can't get enough of it but if for me it's a therapeutic thing it doesn't it's

Yeah.

I think worse motorcycle is super subjective, right? Because I think most people universally would tell you that the V-Rod was an absolute disaster.

I think they would also tell you that their electric motorcycle was a disaster.

But I think the reason why is the Harley's investment into both of those projects were upwards of $100 million, right? I think Harley invested $50 million alone into the V-Rod engine.

Now...

That wasn't a total loss for them because then you fast forward a few years and that's kind of the big brother of the Pan America engine.

The Rev Max is kind of the bastard stepchild of the motor that was in the V-Rod.

But I think Harley's initial investment, because they worked with Porsche on that motor, was somewhere around $50 million.

They refused to go to water-cooled engines for the longest time.

I know they've made the V-Rod for a while, but they hung on to that baby boom market that was born out of the World War II era.

biker culture that started in the 40s in California and they held on to that forever and they had a huge following but there was a status symbol within that too like buying the Screaming Eagle Harley Davidson models 20 years ago Harley Davidson was at the height of its popularity trading at about $60 a share and today right now it's trading at about and it has no identity left because it's trying to create all these cafe racers and all these other models.

They don't know who they are anymore.

No, yeah, that wouldn't work.

All right, we got the V-Rod.

They got the V-Rod.

I like that color.

It's funny because this list that you're doing here that shouldn't be killed, I watched one on YouTube a couple of weeks ago, the 10 worst Harleys ever made, and this is on it too.

Yeah, see, that's weird, because we did something like that a few weeks back, a few podcasts back.

I think they were doing sales, because apparently the V-Rod did not sell well for them.

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