Talk me through what that looks like.

It's the same thing when you understand like financial engineering is a form of art.

And so I can ask you like, how can you measure someone's net worth? But we have a US dollar fiat currency metric to measure it, right? The measurements of a house, a car, a painting.

But we never really like measure what is the cultural value of engineers.

So we can look at Dolly Parton, who just passed her asset liability net worth evaluation.

But with our index, we measure cultural influence, cultural adoption rate, cultural longevity, originality, attribution, commercial conversion, global reach, and other measures that we developed to measure outside of any fiat currency measurements, because we believe that cultural capital is intrinsic value.

Tell me more about you.

Yeah, I was born in 1980.

How did you feel that this could become like a toolbox, one might call it, for artists?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

For me, it's a two-part thing.

It, it...

When I entered this gallery to museum pipeline in 2020, I remember in March doing my first painting and asking people who I knew who were painters and sculptors, like, "How do you approach a gallery?" Right? "What do you need?" And they was like, "Oh, okay, you need artist statement, bio, CV, inventory report." Said, "Oh, what's a artist statement? What's a bio?" Okay, first person, third person.

CV is this.

Mm-hmm.

I'm just sort of remarking on what you're saying.

Yeah, I think that's like, um, like I, I tell everyone, you know, like, the greatest demand in the world is, is, is emotional wellness.

Like, uh, people are engaging with technologies that connect them in ways to people, places, and things that we have never experienced in, in the human lived, you know, the human lived experience, right? And now I think, you know, we see that reflected top-down, just the, just, just the lack of, um, even compassion and, you know, in, in d- in just, in the way in which we choose to communicate how we feel from the highest levels.

Being solution-orientated, how can I do the work inside of myself to be the change that I wanna see in others? And then how do I use these gifts of creativity that come through me, right, to how to deal with adversity in a healthy way, and not to reciprocate harm for harm, right? And so people lack the ability to heal, and the easiest thing to do is harm, and what we ha- what we do is we trap people to their worst moment because-

You own it.

So I'm like, what the hell is he talking about, right? So I don't have Google in prison, so I'm like, what the hell is he talking about? Basquiat, what is it, some champagne or...

My mind is...

I didn't know who Banksy was at that time, and so I read an article in the Wall Street Journal about, uh, Basquiat and the, and it was no images of his work, it was just an image of him.