Hal Willner

Mm-hmm.

Uh, the Rogues' Gallery started as a, um, a band by, uh, by, put together by Hal Willner.

Um, and it was, uh, originally the albums they made were about sea shanties, um, with, you know, all kinds of different guests, uh, guest artists.

And Hal, uh, was, you know, such a genius, and, um, one of the angels in my life.

But, but Nick covers it beautifully and, and, and with a lot of reverence.

Um, and I think the Hal Willner orchestration is, is, is really beautiful, as, as was Tony Visconti's orchestration on, on the original.

But, um, he, he t- he takes it along with Nick into a, into a slightly different level again, and it's beautiful.

It, it's a great song in its own, a great version in its own right of a, of a, I think a wonderful song.

I'll just interject and say that this really tracks because the main person that my father mentored in his career was, was a 15-year-old kid that he met in our little-

Hal Willner.

Thank you.

We were there when Hal came on the scene.

Oh.

He used to follow your father around like you would not believe.

And then Hal Willner turned into, I don't know.

He turned into, yep.

I even, I even, I'm getting older, so I'm missing, they aren't, they aren't connecting.

Um, Van Dyke Parks, who I used to do a lot of these shows and some of these albums with Hal Wilner.

who would put all these different people together.

And that's where I first got hip to the genius of Van Dyke Parks, because he would be doing some arrangements for some of these shows.

and a full orchestra you did chris tell us a little bit about pacific jazz orchestra and how these big gorgeous orchestrations came to be

so rufus basically did all the legwork before we even met by by by curating this the the the program for his show at the carlisle um i met rufus through a common friend that we have his name is don friends and he's married to dale friends and who was herself an opera singer who's now a broadway producer she produced haystown and her husband dale don friends and he's an entertainment lawyer and sits on the board of my orchestra and he came up with the idea how about doing an album with rufus rain or project with rufus rain right a concert and i thought that's a great idea and initially i thought maybe we'll do you um like the greatest hits of rufus or do something and put an orchestral spin on rufus's material but then rufus when i started talking to rufus rufus said i just did this programmers of court wild songs at the carl carlisle how about we just take that set list and and adapt it for orchestra and i thought that was and i thought that's a great idea so this is long story short this is how this whole concept came about to do to do this with orchestra.

And the Pacific Jazz Orchestra is an orchestra that I started about four years ago.

And it's Los Angeles resident orchestra for jazz and beyond programming.