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And, uh, so then I got on-the-job training, you know, for seven years.

And, um, uh, teaching away, teaching away.

I've always taught a lot, and formulating these ideas, but it's pretty much a scramble just trying to teach, you know, play and teach, you know, give them what they can.

But, you know, you still can't be like a full-time professor and give them all, all that they need.

But I, I gave them everything I could.

And then, um, then I won national, started teaching there at, uh, Peabody in, in, uh, Maryland.

Mm-hmm