Hador

So let's start with who these Dunlendings are.

If you remember in our episode on the Northmen, I briefly mentioned that the three tribes of men that would become the Edain of the First Age took different paths to get to Beleriand, with the future houses of Beor and Hador taking a northerly route.

but taking a southern route, were the people that would eventually become the House of Haleth.

And they became divided on their journey, as only some of them actually went into Beleriand.

does, except one line at the end there.

Then all those that were of the people of Hador, capital P, capital H, gathered to him and took him as their captain, and the others with less goodwill agreed.

Well, yes, but that still holds true.

Even Androg, he was killed for slaying a woman.

It's not like these are the best of...

No,

but in some sense, they're still the people of Hador, at least in relation to Turin.

And Turin is descended on his mother's side from the people of Hador.

Right.

But she's also kind of the House of Hador now.

You know, I mean.

So, yeah, I wonder if that kind of changes at all.

Because, I mean, it's one of the interesting and complicated elements of Morwen's continued life in Dor-Lomin, right? Is that she was, in season seven, she was very conscious of being, sort of keeping alive the House of Beor within Dor-Lomin, right? As they had migrated there.

Now, she's still keeping alive the House of Beor.

Now she has to keep alive the House of Hador also.

Yeah, and that's where she's going to end up, which is why Aaron's the one who marries Brodda and becomes the kind of, you know, senior political leader.

Idril Celebrindal was the daughter of Turgon, king of the hidden city of Gondolin.

Tuor was the son of Huor of the house of Hador, the third house of the Edain, and the most renowned in the wars with Morgoth.

Eärendil the Mariner was their son.

Eärendil wedded Elwing, and with the power of the Silmaril, passed the shadows and came to the uttermost west, and speaking as ambassador of both elves and men, obtained the help by which Morgoth was overthrown.

But listen to how the argument gets a little personal here, because Arminus needles him about his looks.

Little indeed do you resemble the kin of Hador, whatever your name.

And what do you know of them? said Turin.

Hurin I have seen, answered Amenas, and his fathers before him.

which leaves the near miss itself.

And I think that's really what John's question is about, right? Tolkien built this.

He put both descendants of Hador's house in the same clearing, gave one of them a name that the other had just learned and hung two of Ulmo's errands off of them going in opposite directions and then had them not speak.

And he tells us in the same sentence that it's never going to happen again, only for a moment and never again.