Hadada ibis

We chat about what he has noticed about birders, what we take too seriously, and whether he is slowly becoming one of us.

We also talk about the more serious side of his growing connection with birds and conservation, including his work with BirdLife South Africa, his role in the inaugural Call of the Hadeda at the 2026 South African Bird Fair, and how humor can be used to get people to care about nature in a different way.

We also chat about his time in Chobe with Pangolin Safaris, his experience using the Sony RX10 Mark 5, and whether photography has changed the way he looks at birds and wildlife.

It is a fun conversation, but there's also a really interesting thread running through it about how people connect with birds, how we make birding feel more welcoming, and whether laughter can actually help us care more.

So, um, yeah, I think, I think it's very cool to see, to see young guys in the space and having fun with it.

That's, that's it.

So a big part of what you were involved in was the Hadeda call challenge.

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