So he's going to show you the ugly, horrible, confronting violence.

Absolutely, yeah.

So you kind of feel torn because it's like, oh, my God, this is the most awesome thing I've ever seen, but also the most gruesome.

Yeah, poor old Michael Ironside Richter.

I mean, holding onto that elevator, arms get cut off mid-forum and he just plummets to his death.

And, of course, then Arnold has to yell a one-liner at him.

It's like adding insult to injury.

Cruise.

[laughs]

[laughs] Give me a little time.

We'll work up something with Verhoeven.

That's too wonderful a handle.

You, we, we've gotta find some wordplay on that.

I'm sure we will.

A tough Verhoeven to row.

Yeah.