Gurney Peak

So there, any guidebook, you have the rating system and you have to, it's subjective, but that was their choice and it was good.

In 1987, Conrad did the first major climbing expedition of his career, funded by an American Alpine Club grant, flying into the Kachatnas to do the first ascent of the southeast face of Gurney Peak.

Mug Stump, who was living in Salt Lake at the time, and was my mentor, was like, oh, here's the The climber under 24 grant from the American Alpine Club, the young climber grant.

So send them a picture of this.