What are the little things that people can do if they're booking a ticket, I don't know, as they're listening to this episode that they can kind of help themselves out a little bit?

Yeah, there are a few things you can very easily do, I think.

I mean, maybe easier said than done for me, but if you can avoid flying at those peak times and on those peak days, you're going to do a lot better on airfare.

We see that if you're willing to fly on Tuesday, Wednesday, or Saturday, it's going to be much cheaper than if you need to fly out Thursday and you need to fly back Sunday night.

I would say avoid Sunday.

like the plague.

I hate flying on Sunday anyway, just vibes wise.

You have four hours.

Tanner Creek really was the capstone of his time in Michigan, at least that round.

Yeah, so that was summer of 88.

That was the summer because that was when I stayed up in college and after that he moved on and Early 90s, he had different sales jobs.

But in the mid-90s, he started a brewery in Indiana, in Michigan City, called Duneland Brewery.

And so he learned the beer-making process there.

He learned from... a German gentleman from Pabst Brewing.

Oh, really? I forget the guy's name.

Can you talk about that a minute?