And most of us don't see that path because we're just like, I just need money to live.

Oh, yeah, for sure, man.

It was, for me, it's like, I've always wanted to like follow my passion, right? Which has always been music.

But for some reason, I've never really like, I mean, I used to practice five, six hours a day sometimes, right? But I was, I was surrounded by people who wanted, who were playing music and all this stuff.

And I mean, just playing with some of the best, right? Just some really good players.

But I was just, you know, it was tough for me because I wanted to have a family.

I wanted to have a nice lifestyle.

Yeah.