Gregory C. Case

And I'd say Aon overpaid by probably 25 to 30% for the asset.

But Greg Case went on the air and he said, this is great for our middle market and it's going to be fantastic.

They've been trying to get into the 20 years ever since, well, maybe not 20 years, 2009, ever since MMA opened their Minnesota office with RJF and built MMA agency, what is now Marsh Agency from there.

But Aon has been trying to catch up.