Greg Cassar

All right.

Yeah, it's reminiscent, I've got a mate, Greg Cassar, I think I've had on the show, who, you know, his theory is if you get to-- If you're an entrepreneur and you, and you get to sort of 40 plus, and you haven't spent a couple of hundred thousand dollars collectively, at least, on your sort of personal education and, and development in, in these areas, both personal development and business development, then you, you know, you need to start catching up.

Mm.

So, you know, you can take the-